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COBOLdinosaur
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« on: September 22, 2005, 08:37:24 PM »

Not a bad first week.

According to the logs we served up 6138 pages and averaged 45 hits an hour.  We had over 100 unique visitors which means for ever member there are 2 more thinking about it.  I think a lot of folks form TOS perhaps wanting something better but afraid to make their intentions know because they are afraid of retaliation.  I don't think that will happen but I can understand how some might be a little uneasy this earlier in site developement.

Last night we had our first visit form a spider.  The 'bot from AskJeeves paid a vist.  It only saw the front two pages, but it means a link somewhere is already directing the spiders.  I expect we will see more.

That finally brings us to the title of the thread.  I don't think it is too early to start thinking and doing when it comes to SEO.  Hits from search engines are imprtant to a site like this.  I know we have some folks with expertise in SEO and it would be great if you volunteered to form a team to start creating and implementing an SEO strategy.  You will get what ever you need to get the job done.  

So who wants to bait the 'bots?

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2005, 09:17:32 PM »

The basic design I'm working on allows for SEO space. Im posting a first draft in the corresponding thread. I've learned a little bit about SEO from the work I do and can help with the basics.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2005, 04:16:22 AM »

:?
What's SEO?
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2005, 04:48:12 AM »

Search Engine Optimization. I'm no expert at it, but it's the best way to get this site to display on search engines.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2005, 07:28:51 AM »

It will take awhile because all links PHP is outputting must be redone to be SEO. The PHP group can whip up a PHP function or mod_rewrite solution for extracting the the variables and values properly from request. Its just the actual modification of the forum code to output SEO friendly links which will be time consuming.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2005, 12:47:35 AM »

New to the site and apologies in advance  :? but I have a series of questions so I can get a handle on what's going on here. Let's start with this one.

Is it required that the whole site be spiderable or are there areas which will not be viewable to the public?

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2005, 06:54:03 AM »

There will be be a need for some private areas, but that can be done using subdomains rather than limiting access to pages on the main site. So we cna do it either way.  Restricted areas of the site, or subdomains with access limits we are dong both now during construction.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2005, 10:10:38 AM »

Welcome to ERT duz =o)
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2005, 01:33:10 PM »

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Welcome to ERT duz =o)
Thank you CM.

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2005, 01:39:34 PM »

Hi all,

I'm happy to assist with SEO as required, whether with the ideas or some of the grunt work (link building, etc.).

Nice to see things moving along.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2005, 01:54:18 PM »

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Hi all,

I'm happy to assist with SEO as required, whether with the ideas or some of the grunt work (link building, etc.).

Nice to see things moving along.


Welcome aboard Andrew!  The more the merrier!  ;-)
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2005, 02:06:25 PM »

Glad to see you finally found the place my friend.  Welcome. :)
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2005, 02:14:07 PM »

Roy, Ellandrd has posted a Q in the technical area about java.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2005, 03:16:58 PM »

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There will be be a need for some private areas, but that can be done using subdomains rather than limiting access to pages on the main site. So we cna do it either way.  Restricted areas of the site, or subdomains with access limits we are dong both now during construction.

And from another thread:

The forum, and the extended discussion format is intended to feed content generation in the form of articles and tuts, rather than build a repository of threads. So the part that we have to really hit the search engines with is that section. Fortuantely a lot of that content wil not be dynamic so we can use HTML pages for much of it. Even if we generte using template, we will still be delivering HTML.


Is the 'content generation in the form of articles and tuts' from "the extended discussion format" automated? If not what is the process for converting one to the other?

Am I corect in assuming that what is being worked on now is the "the extended discussion format"? Is it a highly modified version of phpBB?

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2005, 07:28:22 PM »

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Is the 'content generation in the form of articles and tuts' from "the extended discussion format" automated? If not what is the process for converting one to the other?


The content generation consists of using the thread contents as source material from which an editor and the contributing Mentors extract the the essence of solutions; explorations of technologies; and ideas, re-organize it to be logical in presentaion sequence and put it in the form an article or tutorial using loose templates.  By loose I do not mean the templates are  sloppy, but rather that they have multiple stylesheets that can be applied to give a look to the presentation appropriate to the academic level of the content, so a serious highly technical and challenging piece could have the look of a thesis while a light howto could be more pop-culture and dynamic in presentation.  While editing tools will be used, it still comes down to the decision making and choices on the selection of words and phrases being a manual thinking process; and the editor is critical in bring together the work of more than one Mentor and making it a seamless collaboration.

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Am I corect in assuming that what is being worked on now is the "the extended discussion format"? Is it a highly modified version of phpBB?


The extended discussion format is more a form of discussion rather than page presentation.  What is being worked on now is an enhancement of the PHPBB software for additional features to support partner sites, internal bookmarks, linkages to internal content etc.  At the same time the developers are building the foundation for the OO version of the site that will allow the user a great deal of flexibility in how they organize and filter the information in the discussion.

The key to the extended discussion format is the motivation of the Mentors and the member seeking a solution.  On a conventional forum the format is Q and A.  On ERT a discussion will start from a question, but the goal is not just an answer.  The goal is finding a broader solution that teaches the questioner the underlying principles or philosophies so that they leave with a new skill and ability to solve related problems. The discussion does not have to stop at some arbitray point because the member is satisfied with an answer.  If the topic is interesting or the Mentors involved have a difference of opinion on the best solution, dicussion and debate can continue, and members can join or leave the dicussion as they choose.  In some cases multiple threads may be exploring similar issues and there is no reason they cannot be merged.  There is also no reason the subtopics or off topic discussions cannot be spun off.

To some limited extent we had started to use this kind of format in some of the web topics at EE.  There are threads that go on for weeks and some where the best part of the thread is a week after the user has accepted an answer and moved on.  There are some where the flow is difficult to follow because there is a discussion, sometimes several across 3, 4 or 5 threads.  The participants understand the comments but reading one of the threads out of a set may be quite confusing.  The problem at EE was that they did not support the kind of merging, spinning off, and off topic undertone that was needed.  Proposals to produce article content from the threads deadended because the only articles they were interested in were puff pieces for themselves and for the products advertised on the site. As you know finding solutions often starts with harsh criticisms of what is wrong, and they were not interested in criticism; only praise was acceptable.

If we are successful here what will result is the bringing together of experts from many different areas of IT technology and siphoning off the result of them interacting with each other during the search for solutions.  Sometimes it will result in dull, run of the mill stuff. Most of the time it will produce good quality solutions.  Occassionally magic like the day that Sean demonstrated, explained, and presented a workaround for a CSS bug in Opera, that even Opera did no know how to get around; or the day that I discovered how to communicate the concept of 4 dimensional web pages.  There are days when you get the greatest gift; when another highly respect expert says "wow, great piece of work".  When that happens it should not be buried among 10,000 meaningless posts in a collection of threads that are 60% redundant. It deserves to be presented in a high quality manner.  That kind of content is what we are after and what will be the centerpiece of the site.  The forum is just the generator of discussion that gives us the chance to develop synergy among a group of qualified professionals.

That is what extended discussion format is about.
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