Season's Greetings from Santasaur

[COBOLdinosaur]

but then I found the arrogant Rules in Google.

If the rules are a problem ask te Governing council to review and change them.  If you are not satisfied with what they do then run for Council yourself.  That is how democracy works. Interested members of the community shape the community through collaborative, democratic processes.

How many sites do you know where there is an election process and the rules can be changed by a community based legislative body?

A majority of GC members have posted in this thread. Make your case for changes; present your alternative rules.  No progress can be made simply by criticizing without presenting an alternative.

[ameba]

Cd&,
It's a catch 22 - to present or propose would mean I already participate and support the whole thing. And I can't support the site with such rules.  I'm criticizing without presenting an alternative?  Well, I thought alternative to n-times "you will be suspended" was easy to guess.


GrandSchtroumpf,
> what pages?  all the pages i have looked at in IE6 format quite fine.

The problem is keyboard navigation in IE6.  Try using up/down arrow.

[Esopo]

Ameba,

Your opinion is valued whether it be here or somewhere else, so don't take your input to be ERT-specific.  :D

Anyway, what Cd& says is perfectly true. We are here and we are listening. I can't promise inmediate fixes but I can promise we'll care. So, please start a thread and give us a hand with your ideas, or PM me and I'll carry the flag of your feedback.

Don't let your opinion dry out without begin heard. You are certainly interested since you posted something, please go the extra mile and give as a clear picture of what you mean. I'm not asking for a "present and propose" type of thing, just something to work with. You don't have to care abut the project itself, it's sufficient that you care about some of the people invested in it.

E.

BTW,
We'll be fixing the code / presentation at some point, so the IE6 errors will go away eventually. I just need to get Cd& to approve one of my designs ;)

[ameba]

I already posted in www.suspendedexpert.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=810 a year ago
>>
21st century rules:

> after being warned you will be suspended.
> Repeated offences will result in suspension.
> you are instant history on ERT
> the way you want it will just get you suspended.
> grounds for termination of your account.
> the suspension is automatic.
> lifetime ban
> no warnings; no second chances
> will result in suspension
> immediate termination of your account
> member may be suspended
> immediate permanent closing of your account.
<<

and I still think it's wrong.  Maybe I should stop watching for any possible changes here...

[COBOLdinosaur]

quote]The problem is keyboard navigation in IE6.  Try using up/down arrow[/quote]

What standard are you basing that requirement on?  The WAI guidelines require the use of tab and backtab for accessibility, and the only reference to the up down arrows are for Lynx.  The up/down arrows are for keyboard scroll control, and are not navigation controls.

There may be some need for access keys, but not up and down arrow keys. Windows uses up/down arrows for nav, but Windows does not define the standard for web pages, and on ERT, like many technical sites, More user are using FF then IE, so if we were going to do browser specific support FF would come first.

We'll be fixing the code / presentation at some point, so the IE6 errors will go away eventually.

if you look at the latest content pages that are using the wrappers that Serge and I developed you will see the direction all of the pages are going in.  Not only are they highly standards compliant and accessible, but they are very lightweight, so that athe ajax and dynamic genration will still leave them quick to load and respond.  The only reason all the pages have not been converted to the wrappers is because they would have to be changed again when I convert to the next generation on the server side.  Resources are too limited to be doing things twice, and the old style page work well enough that the site continues to be a successful.

If you have design concepts you think should be incorporated into the next UI you need to prototype it, or demo it, or something because once I put the final touches on security I am going to be ready to start connecting a new backend to a UI that can support AJAX, User interaction, user prefereces, and web 2.0 style widgets and trinkets.

Our traffic is coming from web 2.0 sites, and we have to be attuned to that, or we are going to be left behind as a footnote.  That means heavy graphics are out, simple navigation is in.  It means noisy pages are out and Ajax interactions are in.  It means fast loading is in, large fonts are in, subdued colors are preferred.  Conventional forums are out, but are replaced by comment capabilities on articles that look very much like forums on successful sites. RSS is in but unreliable.  Email is still sort of in, but untrusted, and savy users would rather do downloads from download sites they trust instead of for a link on an unknown web page.

And some will argue that Google is the center of and anchor of web 2.0.  I'm not sure I agree with that or not, but right now they are certainly the most important site on the 'net, for those with new ideas looking for an audience; and that includes us. So a site needs to be "Google compliant" as well as standards compliant.

[VGR]

t'as raison, hips, joyeux réveillon!
schtroumpfons trois vers de mirliton :D

[Esopo]

t'as raison, hips, joyeux réveillon!
schtroumpfons trois vers de mirliton :D

I only understand two languages. English please!!!

BTW, merry Christmas to you too.

[GrandSchtroumpf]

Thanks for that nice poem VGR, i'll try to remember it for next week.

> t'as raison, hips, joyeux réveillon!
you are correct, [hiccup sound], happy "midnight supper" (according to google language tools)

> schtroumpfons trois vers de mirliton :D
let's smurf three poorly written verses.

["Vers de mirliton" refers to any bad poetry where its artistic merit has been sacrificed for the sake of getting the verse to rhyme.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirliton)

that's the best i could do  <:°)

[COBOLdinosaur]

Okay a Christmas present for Esopo.  I'm still working on thei page, but the translation gadget works fine, and is powered by Google:

http://beta.expertsrt.com/swicki/tools-and-toys.html

That page will be part of the content diversification in the web 2.0 version.

Cd&

[Huntress]

http://beta.expertsrt.com/swicki/tools-and-toys.html

That page will be part of the content diversification in the web 2.0 version.

Cd&

Nice!

[COBOLdinosaur]

There are hundreds of little gadgets like those available using the Google gadgets API.  Iam going to put 8 or 10 of them on the page along with 2 or 3 games (They have a Texas hold 'em).  Then it becomes a handy little page to boomark or put in a tab for quick access to the tools. 

After it gets established, we can do a promotion in which members vote gadgets on or off of the page.  We will also be able to use it for stuf we develop ourselves, and widgets that Mentors want to use to promote their sites or businesses. If we develop prodcuts for sale then we can use that page for a demo version.

It gives us diversity in content and opens up several new directions we can go to keep users coming back to the site.

[Huntress]

If that's the case, then you could also place a banner with the site news on it.  That way you can announce new articles and tutorials and the people who only use that page will be aware of what's going on with the rest of the site.

[COBOLdinosaur]

If that's the case, then you could also place a banner with the site news on it.

I had something similar in mind.  Along the lines of an announcemnt box.  It would be an include with headlines from a file that can be accessed and edited by Admins and GC members to keep the members up to date.  That way I don't have to change the page for new stuff, and it would not take PMs or Emails to get stuff included.  If you saw something that needed to be there or the GC needed to make an announcement it could done real time.

The announcement box would just be titles/headlines and a link to an announcement page.  The link for the announcement page could also be put on the home page or perhaps right in the navbar as well. The page editing would be simple just download/edit/upload like we do with the build subdomain.  The include for the headline box would get generated off the include page with a small piece of code added to existing job that generates the incoming RSS feeds.